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Desperate for Advice

I am a parent of an exceptionally smart 21 year old son . He got thru High school on his High IQ up until Sophomore year when his grades dropped and we realized he had ADD , 

He always loved to play Video Games from an early age . 
He was athletic and outgoing , played music , until he needed 2 knee surgeries one after the other in High School , he was out for 2 seasons , this is when he started playing more and more Video games . After that it was all down hills , stopped going to school on time , grades suffered , Junior and Senior year were a struggle for him . With all this he was still able to graduate with 18 AP credit hours and a perfect Math ACT ,he received a good scholarship to a good university , all while gaming online all hours of the night . We tried Therapy before sending him off to college , he did well his first year . Second year he started League of Legends , stopped going to classes , stayed in his dorm room weeks on end without ever leaving , when we realized this we went and picked him up and brought him home . Drs said it was a Bipolar Episode , He took a semester off to get therapy and meds , was taken off Bipolar meds , the Dr felt he was not Bipolar since he had some side effects from the meds and no current signs of Bipolar . He did well with only Vyvanse 40mg  , got a good job at as a pharmacy Tech signed up for classes at the community college close to home, he started talking about going into Pharmacy . Then he got more involved in Super Smash Brothers Melee , he justified that it was a more social gaming experience then what he was addicted to before , as he has to physically go out to venues and meet people in order to play . As he got better , he spent more time watching streams and more time playing at odd out of the way places where gamers meet . He then decided to quit his pharmacy job as it was getting in the way and taking up to much time, he dropped his classes at the community college .About 2 weeks ago he announced that he wants to move out and be independant , rent a room from a friend and be a professional gamer by get paid to stream and win tournaments for cash . My spouse and I feel like we literally lost our son !!   It was one year since we picked him up from College and he was back in the gaming addiction where he was when we picked him up .  Is the gaming causing his unrealistic thinking or is it a mental illness that is not being treated that is causing him to give up everything and live a life of a homeless person who plays video games and gets pennies from tournaments ?  It is an awful vicious cycle , he came home because of gaming , started getting back on his feet , only to be lured back into gaming  by so called friends who encourage him to play . The lure and encouragement and success when playing and winning is the most pleasurable thing for him . He can easily drop his values , his ambitions , his family , his humanity , his hygiene to play video games.   He has an appointment with a highly recommended psychiatrist in 2 weeks , we are waiting to see if he will have a diagnosis that can be treated or if he is being a rebellious college dropout who wants to be a pro gamer .  He wants to move in with 2 other people and set up streaming where he will play 8 hours a day to improve his chances of winning tournaments. He does not seem to realize that he will need a real job to pay rent , buy a car , eat food ??  If it is a rebellious College drop out we are at the point where we will cut him off and ask him to leave . We have already told him we do not support his choices and have stopped giving him any money , we took the extra car away and have been keeping it with other family members and told him he can not use it. If he has a diagnosis with prescribed meds , I don't know the right way to approach things , they say the gaming is a result of an illness , I truly feel the illness always follows the gaming , Illness being unrealistic thoughts and no emotions towards anyone except when gaming , he basically becomes a zombie.   Should we still give him an ultimatum and ask him to leave and not support him if he comes back with a diagnosis of Bipolar and if he still continues to attend gaming tournaments  ?? Our main goal is to get him to stop gaming in a compulsive manner and work and get some realistic goals ??  All advice on this is greatly appreciated .  

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Welcome to the forum Poym

Welcome to the forum Poym

I recommend you keep coming back to read the forums to get to know about the powerful effects of this addiction and the parent member stories. ( start with the thread of members stories in the sticky posts section. )

http://www.olganon.org/forum/i-need-help-parents-gamers/members-stories

You will see that gaming and mental health are strongly linked. It will cause mental health problem where before there was none. It will make a pre existing condition worse. Addiction will reprogramme the brain so that they will rationalise why they need to keep playing. They will not be able to see the damage you are seeing. Only a detox of many weeks/month/years can slowly help them heal and find real life good again, and see what a waste of their life gaming is.

Your son is an adult so there is only so much you can do. Approach him carefully. if you nag and shout and him it will not help. You need to show him that you love him and will support his recovery. But you will not enable him in any way. That means keeping your home game free as a starting point. It may mean removing all electronic devices from his use if he is living with you.

http://www.olganon.org/forum/discussion-parents-olg-anon-members-only/about-enabling

If you can get him therapy then that is great. But you need to use people that can accept that he may be addicted to gaming and that it could be significant and that it needs to stop so he can get clarity and recovery. Many therapists will try to treat the mental health problem without addressing addiction which is a waste of time. So if I were you I would call that eminant therpaist and ask him what he thinks about video game addiction and how it should be treated.

There may come a stage when you have done all you can and therapy is going no where because he is in denial. Then I would say that you should put the power for your son's life into his hands; make him responsible. Let him feel the consequnces of his choices. Tough love and then you start to "detach with love" to save yourself from the worry that will make you ill.

http://www.olganon.org/forum/discussion-spousessignificant-others-olg-anon-members-only/detachment-what-means-and-how-do-it

Keep coming back to leaarn more and make you plan. Then stick to it. All the best to you.

 

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Do you know of a basic phone that has a tracking device ?

Polga , thank you so much for your feedback . I know in my heart it is really the gaming that causes all his issues . We need to take drastic measures if he continues to live with us to make our home a no gameing zone . We can start by changig te Wifi Password and not giving him the new password so that cuts off the internet at home . We currently pay for his phone and he has very little funds left to purchase a new one. I wanted to see if there is a phone that is a basic phone with out internet and streaming that also has a tracker ? Does anyone know of or recomend this type of phone ? 

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I think the generic term in

I think the generic term in the US is a 'flip phone' ? You should be able to get a very basic one.

I think you can track any  cell phone sim card on some of these online aps ...whether it is legal to is another matter if it is not your phone or done with consent.

Some people are very good at hacking wifi...by resetting the router for one thing. So you may have to hide your router over night if he smuggles in other devices too. They are very clever ! Make sure you are one step ahead. hire a pro if you need to.

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Hi Poym

I am sorry for your ordeal. But your story is very similar to many stories here. I believe gaming addiction causes a lot of problems in the brain and I wouldn't be surprised even if his ADD is caused by it. The symptoms they display is similar to mental illnesses and in many cases when gaming stops long enough, they become normal people again. I suggest you trust your gut feelings about the gaming. It is shown by MRI scans that gaming addiction, similar to other addictions, ruin the brain. The control is shifted from frontal cortex to mid brain which is the survival center. Gaming becomes as important as food, air, water. It becomes a matter of survival. Therefore everything else looses its importance. Their dopamine receptors are overstimulated therefore desentisized meaning that they need to play more to have the same good feeling.  Our experience with my son taught me that it is all about their hijacked brain causing all the problems. Unfortunately because their brains are so messed up, you can't even reason with them. That is the most difficult part. He needs to stop gaming completely long enough to give his brain a chance to heal. We are talking about months if not years...

The best we can do is stop enabling them in this destructive path and turn our home into game free zone. If you have any relationship left with him, you could try to show him some books written by ex-gamers or show him this web site and make him realize that he is not alone and the path is very destructive indeed..

If you have time I suggest you read as many posts as you can. Our story is also explained in detal in my earlier posts.

Take care. Stay strong. You are not alone. It is becoming like an epidemic.. 

"The brightest future will always be based on a forgotten past. You can't go on well in life until you let go of your past failures and heartaches." "The first step toward change is acceptance." "Once you accept yourself, you open the door to change. That's all you have to do." "Change is not something you do, it's something you allow."- Will Garcia

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